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<h1>Expressing "even more" with "geng" or "hai"
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<p>When used in a comparison, 更 (gèng) or 还 (hái) expresses an even higher degree of the adjective.</p>

<p>For example, New York is America's biggest city with a population of more than 8 million. Shanghai is China's biggest city, with a population of more than 20 million. “上海比纽约人口更/还多” emphasizes that New York already has a high population (already known situation), but Shanghai's population is obviously higher.</p>


<h2>Contents</h2>

  
<div class="contents"><ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">1 Structure </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">2 Examples </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">3 See also </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">4 Sources and further reading </span></li>
<ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">4.1 Books</span></li>
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<h3>Structure</h3>

<div class="deux">Noun 1 + 比 + Noun 2 + 更 / 还 + Adj.</div>

<h3>Examples</h3>

<div class="exemple"><ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">我 妹妹 比 我 更 瘦 。
Wǒ mèimei bǐ wǒ gèng shòu.
My younger sister is even skinnier than me. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">我 的 猫 比 我 的 狗 更 淘气 。
Wǒ de māo bǐ wǒ de gǒu gèng táoqì.
My cat is even more naughty than my dog. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">有时候 动物 比 人类 更 聪明 。
Yǒushíhou dòngwù bǐ rénlèi gèng cōngming.
Sometimes animals are even smarter than human beings. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">大城市 的 工作 机会 比 我老家 更 多 。
Dàchéngshì de gōngzuò jīhuì bǐ wǒ lǎojiā gèng duō.
There are more job opportunities in big cities than in my hometown. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">他 比 姚明 还 高 。
Tā bǐ Yáo Míng hái gāo.
He is even taller than Yao Ming. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">昨天 38 度 ，今天 比 昨天还 热 。
Zuótiān sān shí bā dù, jīntiān bǐ zuótiān hái rè.
It was 38 degrees yesterday, and it's even hotter today. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">这个 老外 的 汉语 说 得 比 中国人 还 地道 。
Zhège lǎowài de Hànyǔ shuō de bǐ Zhōngguó rén hái dìdao.
This foreigner speaks even more authentic Chinese than native speakers do.</span><br/></li>
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<p>还 has a more intense tone, and it usually carries a tone of surprise and skepticism. Therefore, using the form of a rhetorical question with 还 can be understood as "how can it be?" Note that 更 cannot be used in an interrogative tone.</p>

<div class="exemple"><ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">你 比 老板 还 忙 ？
Nǐ bǐ lǎobǎn hái máng?
You're even busier than the boss? </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">你 比 老板 更 忙 ？
Nǐ bǐ lǎobǎn gèng máng?
You're even busier than the boss?</span><br/></li>
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<p>Also note that 更 can be used with 了 in this pattern, indicating change of situation or state, while 还 can't be used in this way.</p>

<div class="exemple"><ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">这个 地方 比 以前 更 热闹 了 。
Zhège dìfang bǐ yǐqián gèng rènao le.
This place is even more lively than before. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">这个 地方 比 以前 还 热闹 了 。
Zhège dìfang bǐ yǐqián hái rènao le.
This place is even more lively than before.</span><br/></li>
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<h3>See also</h3>

<div class="See-also"><ul><li><span style="font-size: 20px;">Expressing "a bit too" </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">Basic comparisons with "bi" </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">Basic comparisons with "bu bi" </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">Expressing "compared with" with "gen" </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 20px;">Expressing comparable degree with "you"</span><br/></li>
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<h3>Sources and further reading</h3>

<h4>Books</h4>
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