ChineseGrammarWiki/Programmes/B2.old/Grammar-wiki-B2-125.txt

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The differences between 对于 (duìyú), and 至于 (zhìyú) can be confusing. They both have similar meanings like "concerning," "regarding" or "as for." Learn what they are in this article!

== 对于 emphasizes the object referred to ==

对于 usually emphasizes the thing that it is pointing to. Usually where you use 对 you can use 对于. 

=== Structure ===

As an adverb or adverbial clause, you can place if before or after the subject. It cannot be an attributive modifier. 

<div class="jiegou">
Subj. + 对于 + Modifier + Predicate
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<div class="jiegou">
对于 + Modifier， Subj. + Predicate
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==== Examples ====

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* <em>对于</em> 这 种 人，就 不 该 跟 他们 讲 道理。<span class="trans">As for this kind of person, you are not supposed to reason with them.</span>
* <em>对于</em> 电脑，我 什么 都 不 懂。<span class="trans">I don't understand anything about computers.</span>
* 我 <em>对于</em> 电脑 什么 都 不 懂。<span class="trans">I don't understand anything about computers.</span>
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=== Special conditions ===

Sometimes, 关于 and 对于 don't have any differences at all, however those instances are few. For example:

===== Examples =====

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* <em>对于</em> 这个问题 ， 我没有意见 。 <span class="pinyin"><em>Duìyú</em> zhège wèntí, wǒ méiyǒu yìjiàn.</span><span class="trans">As for this problem, I don't have any ideas.</span>
* <em>关于</em> 这个问题 ， 我没有意见 。 <span class="pinyin"><em>Guānyú</em> zhège wèntí, wǒ méiyǒu yìjiàn.</span><span class="trans">As for this problem, I don't have any ideas.</span>
* <em>对于</em> 这个 话题，我 觉得 没什么 可 讨论 的。<span class="trans">For this topic, I don't think there is anything to be discussed.</span>
* <em>关于</em> 这个话题，我觉得没什么可 讨论 的。<span class="trans">For this topic, I don't think there is anything to be discussed.</span>
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== 至于 can change the topic ==

=== Structure ===

As a preposition, it points to another topic, and emphasizes changing the subject of conversation. 

<div class="jiegou">
至于 + Topic，Subj. + Verb Phrase
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==== Examples ====

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* 我们 要 开始 这 个 项目 了，<em>至于</em> 什么 时候 开始，还 没 定。<span class="trans">We're going to start this project, but we still haven't decided when.</span>
* <em>至于</em> 这 个 问题，我们 还 需要 进一步 讨论。<span class="trans">For this problem, we need a further discussion.</span>
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== 至于 can also emphasize degree ==

=== Structure ===

As an adverb, it expresses "having reached a certain degree or step." After it you can link it to words or phrases that describe degree. You can also say 至于 by itself or use 不至于. 

<div class="jiegou">
（不）至于 +  Degree
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==== Examples ====

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* 这 点 小 事情，<em>至于</em> 这么 生气 吗？<span class="trans">With such a small thing, why are you so angry?</span>
* 我 是 不 高兴，但 <em>不至于</em> 不 跟 你 说话。<span class="trans">I'm not happy, but not to the point that I won't talk with you.</span>
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== Examples of right and wrong sentences ==

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<ul>
<li class="x">你 <em>关于</em> 这 个 问题 怎么 看？</li>
<li class="o"><em>关于</em> 这 个 问题， 你 怎么 看？</li>
<li class="x"><em>关于</em> 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？</li>
<li class="o"><em>对于</em> 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？</li>
</ul>
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== Example Dialog ==

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* A: 我们 今天 的 会议 内容 是 讨论 一下 <em>关于</em> 开发 中国 市场 的 问题。<span class="trans">The content of today's meeting is a discussion about the problems in developing China's markets.</span>
* B: 我 的 意见 是 <em>对于</em> 中国 市场 我们 还 不 了解，最好 是 再 等等。<span class="trans">My opinion towards the Chinese markets is that we still don't understand. The best thing is to wait some more.</span>
* A: <em>对于</em> 是 不 是 开发 中国 市场 我们 已经 决定 了，现在 的 问题 是 什么 时候 开发。<span class="trans">We've already decided about developing the markets, the problem now is when to start.</span>
* B：那么，<em>关于</em> 这 个 议题，我 没有 什么 可 说 的 了。<span class="trans">Then, as for this topic, I have nothing more to say.</span>
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== See Also ==

== Sources and further reading ==

=== Books ===
* [[对外汉语教学语法释疑201例]] (对于 vs 关于 p.203, 关于vs 至于 p.207) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
* [[现代汉语八百词（增订本）]] (关于vs 对于 p.240, 至于 p.683)[http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
* [[现代汉语虚词例释]] (关于 vs 对于 p.211, 至于p.651)[http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B004323J90/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
* [[卓越汉语－公司实战篇]] (p. 98) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E5%8D%93%E8%B6%8A%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD-%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8%E5%AE%9E%E6%88%98%E7%AF%87-%E8%83%A1%E7%81%B5%E5%9D%87/dp/B003QZWQ6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347863170&sr=8-1 →buy]

=== Dictionaries ===
* [[现代汉语词典（第5版）]] (关于p.501，对于 p.346，至于 p.1755) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E8%AF%8D%E5%85%B8/dp/B001B1RZCI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693609&sr=8-1 →buy]

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